Excerpt from Notes and Queries, Vol. 6 of 12: A Medium of Intercommunication for Literary Men, General Readers, Etc However, I doubt if we can rely on this alleged charter, which first notifies the king's gift of Maisemore, then confirms gifts by the wife of Roger de Ivry ("Jureio" is obviously a misreading of Ivreio), Roger de Gloucester (as above), and Hugh de Laci. There is a much shorter charter notifying the king's grant of Maisemore (ibid., ii. 22), without referring to other gifts, which I should think more likely of the two to represent a genuine charter. No doubt when Mr. Davis publishes the next volume of the 'Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum, ' we shall get an expert opinion on these charters. II. The two passages quoted above are the only references to Herbert, and make it clear that, if he existed at all, he was the brother of Roger de Gloucester. Yet in the index he is described as: "Gloucester, Herbert, brother of Walter of." This may have led to the similar error by Mr. Ellis, whose reputation, of course, stands too high to be affected by one of those slips to which we are all liable. In another place Mr. Ellis suggested that the Herbert who held Dene and Lesburne in 1086 of Walter de Gloucester, "was, no doubt, his own brother, who must have died not long after, for the monks of Gloucester were to pray for his soul by desire of Walter, when giving or confirming Westwood (p. 78). It is not unlikely that in this brother Herbert we have that Herbert, the chamberlain, who was holding two manors in Hants of the king and another of Hugh de Port." (op. cit., p. 81). No evidence is adduced in support of either suggestion, and the latter is hardly compatible with the dates; for Mr Eyton showed that Herbert the Chamberlain did not die until about 1129 ('Antiquities of Shropshire, ' vii. 146-8). It is true that Mr. Eyton does not trace this Herbert back earlier than 1101, and it might be argued that he was the son of the Domesday tenant. But the Abingdon Chroni

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